interesting to see -- >> i know you have to go, the fiscal cliff -- the fiscal cliff wants to cut money from mental health services. >> indeed. mr. michael nutter of philadelphia, we appreciate it. >>> let's shift back to the fiscal cliff and the art of the possible with one of the lawmakers that will have to pass a vote if a deal is consummated, kay bailey hutchison, member of the appropriations committee and republican from texas, she joins me now. thanks so much for being on the program. >> thank you, luke. >> so we know now the ball is in the senate's court, emphasis is now on harry reid and mitch mcconnell. seems the house is not in session. johnny isakson, your colleague from georgia said congress should pass the $250,000 and below deal because that's what's going to happen afterwards. do you think that should happen? >> i do not. i think $250,000 is too low a threshold. a lot of working people who are couples would exceed that. however, i talked to some of my democratic colleagues and they are saying maybe in the $400,000 or $500,000 category we could set a benchmark. i do think